They just tried to assassinate Trump

[mattp]

You are making several assumptions here. 1) the sights on the gun were accurate @ ~450'. 2) he shot at the head. If he aimed chest center he missed significantly and the ear was collateral damage. We don't know the wind velocity either. In short, he could have been WAY off when he pulled the trigger and just got lucky one round got close to the ear. Or in really short terminology... beginners luck. shrug

Most of everything is speculation right now (and may remain so for the next 60 years like with JFK). But one video I watched showed the first three shots were close to trump. The remaining were more "wild" into the crowd.
They used the audio and video to establish the trajectories... But, you are right. They could be completely wrong.
We should have better info from the government at this point.

 

[David L]

This is what Trump is up against...whether this was a Gov't job or not, the fact is, the Shooter's hate was fueled by the Left (MSM) (The Present Administration). No one goes out (planned) and shoot the president because they got nothing better to do. Also the fact that there was deliberate lack of security, denied security, adds a rotten smell to this whole event.
I personally don't need anymore facts to come to the above conclusion.

 

[AlwaysSomething]

Totally agree and said so back on 7/17 with this below:

Sorry. Been reading hundreds of threads and watching hours of video lately and probably missed it.

But hey, great minds think alike.

 

[mat200]

 

[mat200]

shocking ..

 

[CaptainCrunch]

As Leroy Jethro Gibbs (NCIS) would say,"There is no such thing as a coincidence." (Rule 39)

The very next rule is also applicable. Rule #40: If it seems like someone's out to get you, they are.

Anyone with a brain knows this was not a security breach but rather a planned attempt by the gov just like JFK.

It was truly divine intervention that saved him so he can get in there and save our country.

Because I have a working brain, I am open to the idea that someone took advantage of a lapse in security. Because I have a working brain, I'm able to evaluate all possibilities rather than base my opinion on a fictional character on a tv show, even if that show is a good one. As I posted earlier, the logistics involved with such a large scale planned assassination makes that idea highly unlikely. "They" would have to recruit not only a number of local, state, and federal employees, it would need to be the right employees. In addition, they would have to be 100% accurate in evaluating people for recruiting. They can't settle for people who don't like Trump, they need people willing to help have him killed. Because if they are wrong once, there's now someone who knows about their plan but doesn't agree with it. In other words, a potential leak. If you could recruit 100 mechanics, you've still not got a good plan. Some need to be counter snipers. Some need to be agents guarding Trump. And then once you've got enough of the right people recruited, you have to make sure they are all on the roster to work that date. And all of that needs to be done on short notice. In order to get state and locals on board with the plan, you have to know what state and locals to get on board. That means you would only have had from when they scheduled the rally to get all that done. Personally, I don't believe the federal government is that accurate and efficient. Maybe you have more faith in the feds than I do.

 

[abita_brewing]

As Leroy Jethro Gibbs (NCIS) would say,"There is no such thing as a coincidence." (Rule 39)

The very next rule is also applicable. Rule #40: If it seems like someone's out to get you, they are.

Anyone with a brain knows this was not a security breach but rather a planned attempt by the gov just like JFK.

It was truly divine intervention that saved him so he can get in there and save our country.

Dude, that' guy's about as far away from divine as one can get. If it was intervention... it was to hasten the end of the world.

 

[bigredfish]

Because I have a working brain, I am open to the idea that someone took advantage of a lapse in security. Because I have a working brain, I'm able to evaluate all possibilities rather than base my opinion on a fictional character on a tv show, even if that show is a good one. As I posted earlier, the logistics involved with such a large scale planned assassination makes that idea highly unlikely. "They" would have to recruit not only a number of local, state, and federal employees, it would need to be the right employees. In addition, they would have to be 100% accurate in evaluating people for recruiting. They can't settle for people who don't like Trump, they need people willing to help have him killed. Because if they are wrong once, there's now someone who knows about their plan but doesn't agree with it. In other words, a potential leak. If you could recruit 100 mechanics, you've still not got a good plan. Some need to be counter snipers. Some need to be agents guarding Trump. And then once you've got enough of the right people recruited, you have to make sure they are all on the roster to work that date. And all of that needs to be done on short notice. In order to get state and locals on board with the plan, you have to know what state and locals to get on board. That means you would only have had from when they scheduled the rally to get all that done. Personally, I don't believe the federal government is that accurate and efficient. Maybe you have more faith in the feds than I do.

I think you're assuming a traditional conspiracy with all players on the same page, all planned to the finest detail months in advance.. I would agree, that's highly unlikely as there are too many possible leakers and possible ways for the plan to be found out.

They do it the same way they use Antifa and the pedophile LGBQTDFZZZXO freaks to riot and tear shit up and create chaos, and for that matter most Democrat voters, by employing them as useful idiots.
They create an atmosphere and urge people in the direction they want them to go, not with direct conversations and detailed plans, but they encourage certain thoughts and ideas and see if anyone (useful idiot) bubbles up. Then they chat him up on social media, point him where they want him to go by getting him all worked up, maybe drop hints, make it easy for something to happen. It only takes 1-3 conspirators on the ground to pull off what happened in Butler. One well placed guy in charge issues orders that leave a hole open, another at the entrance screening attendees, the rest oblivious just doing their job and going along as ordered. Michigan comes to mind..

OR it only takes one or two at the top to hold back resources, conveniently "forget" to do provide some asset, or issue an order saying "no metal detector screening for this event". You get the idea, they enable by omission and what appears to otherwise be incompetence. 99% of LE/security know nothing about the plot, the plot is fluid, and if the useful idiot pulls it off, he dies, if he doesn't, he knows nothing and can't rat anyone out except some guy named "Kujo" on some online chat.

Its very clear to any one watching that the FBI has become an enemy of the state, a tool for those trying to keep power, a goon squad with nice suits and no accountability.. they are no longer on the side of the American people or the Constitution they swore to protect. I suspect their are other agencies in just as bad of shape and countless government employees that have been riding the gravy train so long they'd do ANYTHING not to have it taken away. I know a few.

 

[David L]

Because I have a working brain, I am open to the idea that someone took advantage of a lapse in security. Because I have a working brain, I'm able to evaluate all possibilities rather than base my opinion on a fictional character on a tv show, even if that show is a good one. As I posted earlier, the logistics involved with such a large scale planned assassination makes that idea highly unlikely. "They" would have to recruit not only a number of local, state, and federal employees, it would need to be the right employees. In addition, they would have to be 100% accurate in evaluating people for recruiting. They can't settle for people who don't like Trump, they need people willing to help have him killed. Because if they are wrong once, there's now someone who knows about their plan but doesn't agree with it. In other words, a potential leak. If you could recruit 100 mechanics, you've still not got a good plan. Some need to be counter snipers. Some need to be agents guarding Trump. And then once you've got enough of the right people recruited, you have to make sure they are all on the roster to work that date. And all of that needs to be done on short notice. In order to get state and locals on board with the plan, you have to know what state and locals to get on board. That means you would only have had from when they scheduled the rally to get all that done. Personally, I don't believe the federal government is that accurate and efficient. Maybe you have more faith in the feds than I do.

Sounds like planning a war to me. The less you recruit the less chance of a whistleblowers. You could have One Rogue SS kill Trump, planned or not planned...

I would hire you for my security though...

 

[David L]

I think you're assuming a traditional conspiracy with all players on the same page, all planned to the finest detail months in advance.. I would agree, that's highly unlikely as there are too many possible leakers and possible ways for the plan to be found out.

They do it the same way they use Antifa and the pedophile LGBQTDFZZZXO freaks to riot and tear shit up and create chaos, and for that matter most Democrat voters, by employing them as useful idiots.
They create an atmosphere and urge people in the direction they want them to go, not with direct conversations and detailed plans, but they encourage certain thoughts and ideas and see if anyone (useful idiot) bubbles up. Then they chat him up on social media, point him where they want him to go by getting him all worked up, maybe drop hints, make it easy for something to happen. It only takes 1-3 conspirators on the ground to pull off what happened in Butler. One well placed guy in charge issues orders that leave a hole open, another at the entrance screening attendees, the rest oblivious just doing their job and going along as ordered. Michigan comes to mind..

OR it only takes one or two at the top to hold back resources, conveniently "forget" to do provide some asset, or issue an order saying "no metal detector screening for this event". You get the idea, they enable by omission and what appears to otherwise be incompetence. 99% of LE/security know nothing about the plot, the plot is fluid, and if the useful idiot pulls it off, he dies, if he doesn't, he knows nothing and can't rat anyone out except some guy named "Kujo" on some online chat.

Its very clear to any one watching that the FBI has become an enemy of the state, a tool for those trying to keep power, a goon squad with nice suits and no accountability.. they are no longer on the side of the American people or the Constitution they swore to protect. I suspect their are other agencies in just as bad of shape and countless government employees that have been riding the gravy train so long they'd do ANYTHING to have it taken away. I know a few.

No way, that sounds like Communism at work...hahaha

 

[CaptainCrunch]

I think you're assuming a traditional conspiracy with all players on the same page, all planned to the finest detail months in advance.. I would agree, that's highly unlikely as there are too many possible leakers and possible ways for the plan to be found out.

They do it the same way they use Antifa and the pedophile LGBQTDFZZZXO freaks to riot and tear shit up and create chaos, and for that matter most Democrat voters, by employing them as useful idiots.
They create an atmosphere and urge people in the direction they want them to go, not with direct conversations and detailed plans, but they encourage certain thoughts and ideas and see if anyone (useful idiot) bubbles up. Then they chat him up on social media, point him where they want him to go by getting him all worked up, maybe drop hints, make it easy for something to happen. It only takes 1-3 conspirators on the ground to pull off what happened in Butler. One well placed guy in charge issues orders that leave a hole open, another at the entrance screening attendees, the rest oblivious just doing their job and going along as ordered. Michigan comes to mind..

OR it only takes one or two at the top to hold back resources, conveniently "forget" to do provide some asset, or issue an order saying "no metal detector screening for this event". You get the idea, they enable by omission and what appears to otherwise be incompetence. 99% of LE/security know nothing about the plot, the plot is fluid, and if the useful idiot pulls it off, he dies, if he doesn't, he knows nothing and can't rat anyone out except some guy named "Kujo" on some online chat.

Its very clear to any one watching that the FBI has become an enemy of the state, a tool for those trying to keep power, a goon squad with nice suits and no accountability.. they are no longer on the side of the American people or the Constitution they swore to protect. I suspect their are other agencies in just as bad of shape and countless government employees that have been riding the gravy train so long they'd do ANYTHING to have it taken away. I know a few.

You've introduced a number of variables. Create an atmosphere. I think the Dems have done that. I believe that, along with the lapse in security, is what caused this. And it's not one well placed guy on the ground. You have to include state and local police. The feds don't control who the state and locals pick for their details so their higher ups need to be in on it. And not just any of them, the specific ones that do the planning. The holes in butler were with both the feds and local police.

The problem isn't "how it could be done." The problem is "if that was a conspiracy, how was it done." If you want to say the assassination attempt was part of a conspiracy, the logistics of how it was planned needs to be explained.

 

[CaptainCrunch]

Sounds like planning a war to me. The less you recruit the less chance of a whistleblowers. You could have One Rogue SS kill Trump, planned or not planned...

I would hire you for my security though...

But that's not what happened. The problem is people are labeling the attempted assassination as a conspiracy. Ok. He's what I feel would need to have taken place for it to be a conspiracy and I don't believe it's plausible. If there's another way to get to the known result, I'll be happy to listen to it.

 

[bigredfish]

We’re not that far apart, but I don’t consider it a traditional “conspiracy”. That’s not how the regime operates anymore.

It’s about creating an environment to allow the miscreants to take advantage of. Providing opportunity for useful idiots to take advantage of. If you just happen to give the useful idiot a push, all the better chances. They didn’t know the details, they simply created an environment with plausible deniability and crossed their fingers. Had the kid failed, no direct links to the ones who made it possible.

Take the Antifa riots. No direct known conspiracy, but our DOJ stood back and allowed it to happen, many in power on the left encouraged it. Nobody had to plan out the details.

Times and tactics by the power elite have evolved and changed. They’re not stupid enough to gather dozens or more in a room with maps and time tables. In 1963 they had a detailed plan involving a 2nd shooter. Today they create the environment and let the useful idiots do the dirty work.

 

[David L]

We’re not that far apart, but I don’t consider it a traditional “conspiracy”. That’s not how the regime operates anymore.

It’s about creating an environment to allow the miscreants to take advantage of. Providing opportunity for useful idiots to take advantage of. If you just happen to give the useful idiot a push, all the better chances. They didn’t know the details, they simply created an environment with plausible deniability and crossed their fingers. Had the kid failed, no direct links to the ones who made it possible.

Take the Antifa riots. No direct known conspiracy, but our DOJ stood back and allowed it to happen, many in power on the left encouraged it. Nobody had to plan out the details.

Times and tactics by the power elite have evolved and changed. They’re not stupid enough to gather dozens or more in a room with maps and time tables. In 1963 they had a detailed plan involving a 2nd shooter. Today they create the environment and let the useful idiots do the dirty work.

I fully agree. YT as with other platforms have created a very easy way to push someone in any direction the regime wants. It is much different than in the 60s. So many want their one minute of fame, add the extreme lack of caring about others lives and you got your assassin.






This was all to get attention for a post on YT.

 

[CaptainCrunch]

We’re not that far apart, but I don’t consider it a traditional “conspiracy”. That’s not how the regime operates anymore.

It’s about creating an environment to allow the miscreants to take advantage of. Providing opportunity for useful idiots to take advantage of. If you just happen to give the useful idiot a push, all the better chances. They didn’t know the details, they simply created an environment with plausible deniability and crossed their fingers. Had the kid failed, no direct links to the ones who made it possible.

Take the Antifa riots. No direct known conspiracy, but our DOJ stood back and allowed it to happen, many in power on the left encouraged it. Nobody had to plan out the details.

Times and tactics by the power elite have evolved and changed. They’re not stupid enough to gather dozens or more in a room with maps and time tables. In 1963 they had a detailed plan involving a 2nd shooter. Today they create the environment and let the useful idiots do the dirty work.

I understand what you're saying. The problem is that what you're saying doesn't allow what actually happened to happen. The area the kid shot from was outside of the control of the feds. The local police were in that area. So no matter what any or all of the feds set up or allowed, either the locals were in on it or it was simply a lapse in security. And if the locals were in on it, we're back to recruiting locals with 100% accuracy on short notice. If the security lapse had been only on the SS and the shooter had made it inside the SS's perimeter, your theory would hold water.

 

[samplenhold]

he area the kid shot from was outside of the control of the feds.

That is not true. The SS was totally in charge of all security decisions. From deciding who would be there (SS, State Police or local PD), where they would be located, what hardware they had (think no drones), communications, metal detectors, etc. The SS was in charge. This bullshit that the SS director was saying about it being 'outside' the SS security perimeter was total PR. Same with the 'sloped roof' crap. She was making things up as she went along thinking that no one would call her on it.

It was the SS decision not to place anyone on the roof. They had two locals in the window that had full view of the roof. Those guys left to look for the 'person of interest' outside. Not sure if they were the two that boosted and hung up on the roof? Why leave your post watching a very vulnerable position? Call other LEOs on the ground to go look for him.

 

[CaptainCrunch]

That is not true. The SS was totally in charge of all security decisions. From deciding who would be there (SS, State Police or local PD), where they would be located, what hardware they had (think no drones), communications, metal detectors, etc. The SS was in charge. This bullshit that the SS director was saying about it being 'outside' the SS security perimeter was total PR. Same with the 'sloped roof' crap. She was making things up as she went along thinking that no one would call her on it.

It was the SS decision not to place anyone on the roof. They had two locals in the window that had full view of the roof. Those guys left to look for the 'person of interest' outside. Not sure if they were the two that boosted and hung up on the roof? Why leave your post watching a very vulnerable position? Call other LEOs on the ground to go look for him.

In the planning, that area was delegated to local police, not the feds. Local police, not the feds, were in the building watching out of the window. Local police, not the feds, took the picture of the shooter in the demolition ranch shirt. The feds do not have full control over what hardware locals could or could not use. Feds do not regulate the local's communication. The feds do not control how many officers the locals can use. If the locals had 30 officers to put in that area, they could put 30 officers in that area.

 

[David L]

The Feds screwed up by not covering the area needed to secure the area of a common AR-15 rifle. Blaming the Local police is ridiculous when they were not in charge. The LE was suppose to originally monitor traffic, plus supposedly there was also limited communication between the LE and SS, which is another major screwup by the Feds. If you don't have the means to secure a Major Presidential event then the event should not of happened. Someone gave the go ahead, the Feds...

AOC asked the right question...

 

[David L]

A few points from this video, LE did not leave their post, the Shooter did not use a ladder to get on the building, he used AC units...



A few more key points, the shrapnel theory debunked and the numerous vantage points that the Feds ignored...


At the 17:20 minute mark this photo I have not seen before:

 

[bigredfish]