Pandemic threat? Anyone else concerned?

There were wipes on eBay yesterday for $1,400.00; my $500 wipes were a fuQin bargain.
 
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Brilliant Idea :)

An update on my end is that I just came across a patient positive for Flu A, but here is where the problem starts, patient is in her 70's and works in Chinatown in the city. She's been working there for weeks. She was advised to go to the ER and she agreed. The ultimate question now is, WILL SHE GO TO THE HOSPITAL AS AGREED? This is where the problem starts. We can't guarantee that she will go to the ER. In-turn she will potentially affect others around her and spread the infection. The doctors are concerned that she may be having the Coronavirus as well; they don't have the testing kits on-site. Medical assistant sprayed disinfecting spray everywhere in the clinic shortly after she left. The fact that this is not being taken seriously is really annoying. The protocol was followed as per the sheet provided to all personnel. Can only hope for the best now.

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This is what happened after I listed a box of Costco anti-viral/bacterial wipes on eBay for $500.00 which included the following verbiage...

"This listing is real; we will ship you this item for $500.00. However, this item was originally purchased from Costco for $9.99; this eBay sale is an experiment to determine if societal panic can overcome common sense."


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Brilliant Idea :)

An update on my end is that I just came across a patient positive for Flu A, but here is where the problem starts, patient is in her 70's and works in Chinatown in the city. She's been working there for weeks. She was advised to go to the ER and she agreed. The ultimate question now is, WILL SHE GO TO THE HOSPITAL AS AGREED? This is where the problem starts. We can't guarantee that she will go to the ER. In-turn she will potentially affect others around her and spread the infection. The doctors are concerned that she may be having the Coronavirus as well; they don't have the testing kits on-site. Medical assistant sprayed disinfecting spray everywhere in the clinic shortly after she left. The fact that this is not being taken seriously is really annoying. The protocol was followed as per the sheet provided to all personnel. Can only hope for the best now.
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I'm not following the reasoning here. She came in with flu symptoms and has a positive flu test. Is there a specific reason to think that flu isn't the full diagnosis? just because she is proximal to Chinese descent people doesn't mean that she is at any significantly higher risk of having Coronavirus. To me this somewhat smacks of the coughing while Asian problem that has been going around. That's where if someone of Asian descent coughs or sneezes people avoid them more than they would someone of a different race. In the United States there is no factual or statistical rationale behind this with the perhaps exception of anyone getting off of a plane from China, of which there are probably very few now.



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The doctors are concerned that she may be having the Coronavirus as well; they don't have the testing kits on-site.
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Why don't they have testing kits?
 
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To me this somewhat smacks of the coughing while Asian problem that has been going around. That's where if someone of Asian descent coughs or sneezes people avoid them more than they would someone of a different race. In the United States there is no factual or statistical rationale behind this with the perhaps exception of anyone getting off of a plane from China, of which there are probably very few now.
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I don't think the physician's reasoning is in any shape and form associated with racial-stereotype. It seems like he was associating this with predominant demographic in a specific location and the likelihood that the patient came in contact with people that potentially came in contact with other people that traveled from Asia (i.e. loved ones / family members that may have recently disembarked a plane). It appears this doctor wanted to factor in his statistical probability reasoning. The same can be said about any other demographic.

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I'm not following the reasoning here. She came in with flu symptoms and has a positive flu test. Is there a specific reason to think that flu isn't the full diagnosis? just because she is proximal to Chinese descent people doesn't mean that she is at any significantly higher risk of having Coronavirus. To me this somewhat smacks of the coughing while Asian problem that has been going around. That's where if someone of Asian descent coughs or sneezes people avoid them more than they would someone of a different race. In the United States there is no factual or statistical rationale behind this with the perhaps exception of anyone getting off of a plane from China, of which there are probably very few now.



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Testing kits are rapidly being dispersed, but all cannot be delivered to just one hospital setting. They're trying to make more testing kits, clearly in short-supply

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Why don't they have testing kits?
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Again, I need to stress, this is the current policy (protocol, whatever you want to call it) in place for this hospital system. The policy can change with a more stringent approach where the patients approaching the outpatient department (with complaints of fever and cough) can be denied to be seen for consultation.

If a patient is concerned over Coronavirus and thinks he/she has it, they should be in isolation for up to two weeks as per the CDC guidelines.

Never a good idea to jump conclusions unless there is reason to. The physician at this hospital was only following protocol from what it seems based on the patient-screening / questionnaire protocol. As in any patient, if a patient agrees to go to the ER regardless of how and where they suspect they got the infection from, there should be an escort that rushes the patient to the ER to undergo testing.

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I'm not following the reasoning here. She came in with flu symptoms and has a positive flu test. Is there a specific reason to think that flu isn't the full diagnosis? just because she is proximal to Chinese descent people doesn't mean that she is at any significantly higher risk of having Coronavirus. To me this somewhat smacks of the coughing while Asian problem that has been going around. That's where if someone of Asian descent coughs or sneezes people avoid them more than they would someone of a different race. In the United States there is no factual or statistical rationale behind this with the perhaps exception of anyone getting off of a plane from China, of which there are probably very few now.



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It is certainly OBVIOUS that Costco is preventing the distribution of life-saving anti-Covid-19 products to country-loving Americans in favor of state-run socialistic health-care programs at the expense of free-market capitalism! This is simply another clear example of dangerous-leftist-liberal-traitoristic-socialist-progressives who hate America (love Venezuela) and want Americans to die simply to bring down the President! Right @TonyR ???!!!

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Dr. Q™
PHD, Trollogy & Social Engineering
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I'll say this....I would not want to sit across the table from you in a poker game as I might not be able to tell what you were holdin'....:blankstare:
 
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I'll say this....I would not want to sit across the table from you in a poker game as I might not be able to tell what you were holdin'....:blankstare:
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@Q™ What the physician did was right, lets just put it at that. Don't think he was associating Coronavirus with just one group of people. The fact that by now everybody is under the impression that the virus stemmed from China only triggers physicians to be overly-cautious in every possible way, and I don't blame them for their extent of thinking. Doesn't matter who the patient came in contact with--> the fact that we don't know clearly where and how and what this patient may have come in contact with is what infuriates every healthcare provider. To contain a virus, you need to engage in utmost scrutiny. I strongly doubt there was any prejudice feeling between the physician the patient. Chinatown does contain a lot people of Chinese-descent, some may have likely traveled abroad in recent time. In a lot of cases you won't even know if you have the virus or not, older people are likely more susceptible. It sucks that Chinatown is loosing business at the moment. The United States is already in trouble by not deploying strong-enough measures in preventing the community-spread. China has done an outstanding job in acting promptly on this matter. Its better to do more than what is required than simply meeting the minimum requirements and hyping up the matter through national media. People need to take classes in epidemiology (public health for the matter) to understand the underlying etiology and transmission of disease.

Anyway, the moral of the experience I came across earlier today is that patients need to comply as agreed. If they don't comply, they will simply spread their flu infection in public spaces, whether it is seasonal flu, Coronavirus, or both. Doctor suspected she may have had both; he likely felt distraught, even the patient exhibited fear; its human nature. That's why public word is that be cautious but do not panic :lol:

Public health experts say that many (from kids to adults) may be carriers and may never exhibit flu-like symptoms but be infected with the Coronavirus. Some may exhibit milder symptoms. Eventually the virus will disappear from their systems. Whereas in older adults (over the age of 65) are very susceptible. Much of mortality rate revolves around an older age population and those folks with immuno-compromised systems and/or previous underlying medical conditions.

 
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Recommended watch:

JAMA Network
Coronavirus Update with Anthony Fauci, MD – March 2020

Coronavirus testing, mortality, vaccine development, containment vs mitigation, and more. Click show more for a complete list of topics discussed in this video. Anthony Fauci discusses the latest developments in the global spread of COVID-19 and the SARS-CoV-2 virus with JAMA Editor Howard Bauchner. #Covid_19 #SARSCoV2 #coronavirus



update: from interview
Estimate 4 weeks from Phase I trial of US vaccine
Estimate 1-1.5 years before we know it works.
Principle "do no harm" must complete trials and confirm it works
 
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Is this showing up on anyone's YouTube recommendation playlist? :lol:
 
Staying positive and vigilant is the way to avoid the virus :)








 
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