YooSee SD-M5 doorbell: 1080p, PoE, RTSP, Onvif, only $66

[SecuritySeeker]

the real question is whether it can send an event to blue iris when the doorbell button is pressed.

I asked a question along those lines in my email to them but I didn't receive a reply. They did update the page not long afterwards with new information answering almost all my questions.

Would something like that typically be part of the Onvif support? It supports Onvif profile S. Had a quick look at the profile S specs but they don't seem to mention anything like that, it does mention relays but I think in the other direction if that makes any sense.

This doorbell does not support SIP. If it's possible to have blue Iris notified, would it in theory be possible to let Bl establish a duplex audio link and relay that to a VOIP phone?

But even if that is not possible, it wil still serve my personal main purpose: function as a regular doorbell and do 24h recording from an angle that is most likely to capture faces clearly (if not masked etc etc).

It might be possible to hack the little USB doorbell chime and use that to send the notification perhaps. Or perhaps eavesdrop on the 433MHz link. I'm sure
they didn't create their own radio system but given the frequency it's not Z-wave or Zigbee.

https://www.electroschematics.com/13682/433mhz-rf-sniffer/

Worst case it should be possible to use a photo sensor to detect the blue LED USB chime lighting up when it rings with some Arduino/Raspi and have that create the event for BI. Actually, it could also detect the audio.

Just checked, the USB chime actually has screws holding it together so it should come apart easily:

That's a nice departure from all the glued or ultrasonically welded plastic stuff you see these days. Should be possible to tap the signal that drives the LED if you open the case. Or perhaps there's a nice little microcontroller with a JTAG connection inside .

You dont want to be sending video or provide network access to their china servers

Nope, in fact I don't want to have anything to do with anything cloud related, regardless of where the servers are located or who controls them.

 

[vandyman]

the real question is whether it can send an event to blue iris when the doorbell button is pressed. You dont want to be sending video or provide network access to their china servers

I have Blue Iris 5 and a Hubitat Evolution hub.
I am going to start setting up some triggers and see what happens between the two. Waiting on some zwave door sensors.

Once I get the door bell. I will try and set it up to my robot dog to bark when the button is pushed. . <<lol, just kidding..

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[fenderman]

I asked a question along those lines in my email to them but I didn't receive a reply. They did update the page not long afterwards with new information answering almost all my questions.

Would something like that typically be part of the Onvif support? It supports Onvif profile S. Had a quick look at the profile S specs but they don't seem to mention anything like that, it does mention relays but I think in the other direction if that makes any sense.

This doorbell does not support SIP. If it's possible to have blue Iris notified, would it in theory be possible to let Bl establish a duplex audio link and relay that to a VOIP phone?

But even if that is not possible, it wil still serve my personal main purpose: function as a regular doorbell and do 24h recording from an angle that is most likely to capture faces clearly (if not masked etc etc).

It might be possible to hack the little USB doorbell chime and use that to send the notification perhaps. Or perhaps eavesdrop on the 433MHz link. I'm sure
they didn't create their own radio system but given the frequency it's not Z-wave or Zigbee.

https://www.electroschematics.com/13682/433mhz-rf-sniffer/

Worst case it should be possible to use a photo sensor to detect the blue LED USB chime lighting up when it rings with some Arduino/Raspi and have then create the event for BI. Actually, it could also detect the audio.

Just checked, the USB chime actually has screws holding it together so it should come apart easily:

That's a nice departure from all the glued or ultrasonically welded plastic stuff you see these days. Should be possible to tap the signal that drives the LED if you open the case. Or perhaps there's a nice little microcontroller with a JTAG connection inside .



Nope, in fact I don't want to have anything to do with anything cloud related, regardless of where the servers are located or who controls them.

I doubt it supports full duplex and even if it did, I dont know if blue iris would support it.
The grandstream gsd3710 doorbell does support sip and poe but I had issues with my unit, but it could have been a fluke.

 

[vandyman]

I asked a question along those lines in my email to them but I didn't receive a reply. They did update the page not long afterwards with new information answering almost all my questions.

Would something like that typically be part of the Onvif support? It supports Onvif profile S. Had a quick look at the profile S specs but they don't seem to mention anything like that, it does mention relays but I think in the other direction if that makes any sense.

This doorbell does not support SIP. If it's possible to have blue Iris notified, would it in theory be possible to let Bl establish a duplex audio link and relay that to a VOIP phone?

But even if that is not possible, it wil still serve my personal main purpose: function as a regular doorbell and do 24h recording from an angle that is most likely to capture faces clearly (if not masked etc etc).

It might be possible to hack the little USB doorbell chime and use that to send the notification perhaps. Or perhaps eavesdrop on the 433MHz link. I'm sure
they didn't create their own radio system but given the frequency it's not Z-wave or Zigbee.

https://www.electroschematics.com/13682/433mhz-rf-sniffer/

Worst case it should be possible to use a photo sensor to detect the blue LED USB chime lighting up when it rings with some Arduino/Raspi and have then create the event for BI. Actually, it could also detect the audio.

Just checked, the USB chime actually has screws holding it together so it should come apart easily:

That's a nice departure from all the glued or ultrasonically welded plastic stuff you see these days. Should be possible to tap the signal that drives the LED if you open the case. Or perhaps there's a nice little microcontroller with a JTAG connection inside .



Nope, in fact I don't want to have anything to do with anything cloud related, regardless of where the servers are located or who controls them.

They have a relay module that may work for some interesting projects.
Wireless unlock controller for smart intercom

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[SecuritySeeker]

I doubt it supports full duplex and even if it did, I dont know if blue iris would support it.

Well, even my regular Siemens Gigaset DECT telephones for instance don't really do full duplex when in speaker mode to avoid echoing; they automatically mute one side or the other depending on how loud you're speaking. These phones don't require you to press a button to speak but in the strict sense they are not full duplex. It works to some extent, especially if both sides cooperate on making it work, but it's not perfect.

The doorbell end of the conversation is essentially a speaker phone so I didn't really expect it to be true full duplex either but perhaps they implemented something similar to what regular speaker phones do (muting one side automatically). Or perhaps they didn't and their special app has a 'push to talk' button.

I'm guessing that conference type speaker phones use a microphone array to achieve a much more sophisticated form of echo cancellation and thereby true full duplex. Without a microphone array and just a single mic there is only so much you can do with the mic and speaker so close to each other. Perhaps you could flip the phase on the speaker output to reduce echoes or listen to frequencies coming in that you know cannot be coming from the speaker (the connection and the small speaker are severely bandwidth limited after all) but I don't really know if that s what those Siemens phones do to determine who gets to speak. If both sides of the conversation use a speaker phone things really get hairy.

I do think that for this application it would be preferable to have a 'talk' or 'mute other side' button on the remote voip phone since you want to be in full control of who gets to talk, not the other side at the door, rather than letting the doorbell decide based on loudness who gets to talk.

The grandstream gsd3710 doorbell does support sip and poe but I had issues with my unit, but it could have been a fluke.

I read your post about that which, apart from the price, is one of the reasons I'm no longer even considering the grandstream. I also thought the Doorbird was overpriced but that was before I found out about the Fibaro video doorbell/intercom: € 899 !!!

FIBARO | Smart doorbell camera - FIBARO Intercom

€ 899​

I would be happy as a clam if the YooSee supported voip with halve-duplex a la my Siemens speaker phones at $66.

 

[SecuritySeeker]

Looking at this:

it almost seems as if the memory card slot is accessible even with the door bell mounted to the mounting bracket . Hope that's not really the case.

I also wonder how easy it is to remove the entire thing from its bracket. Looks like it might come off easily.

Edit: I see it's held into place with a hexagonal screw head. Perhaps that could be replaced with a security screw. Also, they do insert the memory card in step 1 before attaching the device to the bracket so hopefully that means the card is not removable when it's mounted.

 

[SecuritySeeker]

This looks like the defunct LaView (hikvision) 1080p doorbell that had terrible little quirks that were never fied. At least with the Hikconnect app it was secure/encrypted through China servers.

Which one would that be? Closest one I could find is this:

https://www.amazon.com/LaView-Doorbell-Storage-Pre-Installed-Detection/dp/B079Q435KL

Specs are different and the micro SD slot is on the side instead of on the bottom and the mic is not centered above the lens so it's a different PCB at least.

 

[IAmATeaf]

It looks like the lip of part 3 would cover the SD card slot. If it doesn’t then not only is there a worry the the card could be removed but you’d also have to be wary of moisture getting into the slot?

Also I wonder what the small jack plug next to the SD card slot is for ?

 

[vandyman]

It looks like the lip of part 3 would cover the SD card slot. If it doesn’t then not only is there a worry the the card could be removed but you’d also have to be wary of moisture getting into the slot?

Also I wonder what the small jack plug next to the SD card slot is for ?

If someone wanted the SD card, It would be easier to grab the doorbell unit with your hand and pull it off the wall and walk away.
If planned, a screwdriver behind the unit and pop it right off.
I do not use SD cards on my cameras personally.

 

[SecuritySeeker]

It looks like the lip of part 3 would cover the SD card slot.

The lip seemed a bit shallow for that but I hope you're right. Surely they cannot be that stupid, can they? Well yes of course they can but let's hope they're not.

If it doesn’t then not only is there a worry the the card could be removed but you’d also have to be wary of moisture getting into the slot?

It doesn't seem to have an IP rating at all actually (Edit: WRONG) so care should be taken with regard to placement or shielding it from stormy rains.

Edit: Oops, product page says "IP55 weatherproof design".

Also I wonder what the small jack plug next to the SD card slot is for ?

That got me wondering too as they don't even mention it. Obvious things that come to mind are audio (to connect an external speaker and/or mic) or power but they already have that on the back. The bracket doesn't have anything special in that position either.

I'm also still wondering where that PIR sensor is supposed to be, it doesn't show on any of the images but they do mention it very explicitly and make a big fuss about it:

• PIR: dual-element PIR sensor
• PIR detection: 110 degree, max. 12 meter

1080p security camera supports motion detection
It's not just a Internet connected doorbell, it's also a 1080p smart security camera. The camera adopts 2-megapixel color CMOS image sensor can capture 1920x1080 format resolution video. Relying on advanced image processing technology, the captured video is crystal clear and noise-free. It also has Infrared illuminators which help camera to see at night or under low lighting condition. Comparing with traditional security camera that merely offers video-based motion detection, our product has built-in a passive infrared motion sensor, which can accurately detect the moving people. The PIR sensor is a reliable intrusion detection sensor that has been widely used in burglar alarm system. By offering video based and PIR-based dual motion detection, the product only alerts you when it detects people, no false alarm caused by environment factors e.g. swaying grass, tree leaf, small spider, other pests.

The product provides you additional security for your home, under detection status, when people approaches your home, or loitering around your house, the smart doorbell will trigger the alarm, you will be notified by instant push notification alert, you're able to watch live video to know what's happening there.

The second bolded bit vaguely suggests that either the PIR, knob or both have a way of notifying an alarm system but what it really means is totally unclear. As for the PIR, I'm no expert but I don't think a dual element PIR is really state of the art but then again I don't think anyone should consider relying upon this as an important part of an alarm system anyway. The PIR's job is to detect people and alert you that someone is at the door, not to keep burglars out (not that an alarm system does that anyway). I suppose if they combine their simple PIR along with video based motion detection it might be able to do it's intended job quite decently.

Could it be that the day/night sensor somehow doubles as a simple PIR? Perhaps I'll send them another email.

Also, one other thing note is that that the viewing angle of 150 degrees is measured diagonally.

 

[SecuritySeeker]

If someone wanted the SD card, It would be easier to grab the doorbell unit with your hand and pull it off the wall and walk away.
If planned, a screwdriver behind the unit and pop it right off.
I do not use SD cards on my cameras personally.

Yeah, it doesn't look like it's vandal proof or anything. Good thing it's not expensive. I suppose you could make a metal enclosure if you want to deter someone from stealing it.

I do not use SD cards on my cameras personally.

I'm still waiting for the building of our new home to be completed before I can begin installing camera's but I do plan on putting SD cards in them as a backup, just in case there's a glitch with the recording system. They're not that expensive, not even the endurance ones, and if someone steals the camera the SD card is not a big extra loss. I would not rely on SD cards by themselves of course.

 

[TL1096r]

Which one would that be? Closest one I could find is this:

https://www.amazon.com/LaView-Doorbell-Storage-Pre-Installed-Detection/dp/B079Q435KL

Specs are different and the micro SD slot is on the side instead of on the bottom and the mic is not centered above the lens so it's a different PCB at least.

Yes that is it. I like it due to the hikconnect app you can use as it gives me more sense of security. But you can see here about the quirks it has:
Sweet! LTS is releasing an ONVIF compatible doorbell with SD card slot and 940nm IR

 

[SecuritySeeker]

Yes that is it. I like it due to the hikconnect app you can use as it gives me more sense of security. But you can see here about the quirks it has:
Sweet! LTS is releasing an ONVIF compatible doorbell with SD card slot and 940nm IR

Good, I'm pretty sure this is a very different product then since many of the specs are different.

In general of course it's true that great specs on paper don't mean anything: image quality could suck, build quality and longevity could suck, firmware could suck even more etc. I hope @vandyman will be able to inform us about these things.

 

[TL1096r]

Good, I'm pretty sure this is a very different product then since many of the specs are different.

In general of course it's true that great specs on paper don't mean anything: image quality could suck, build quality and longevity could suck, firmware could suck even more etc. I hope @vandyman will be able to inform us about these things.

Yes this is true. I only wanted to point this out as if hikvision could not get it right I am not sure if a smaller cheaper model would be any better but hope to find out if someone tries it.

 

[fenderman]

Yes this is true. I only wanted to point this out as if hikvision could not get it right I am not sure if a smaller cheaper model would be any better but hope to find out if someone tries it.

Thats because hikvision didnt even try, they made a wifi only doorbell. Lots of smaller companies do things larger ones dont. That said, yoosee does not have a good track record.

 

[TL1096r]

Thats because hikvision didnt even try, they made a wifi only doorbell. Lots of smaller companies do things larger ones dont. That said, yoosee does not have a good track record.

haha. It makes sense that a big company can get away with this and not hurt their business. What they did was wrong and if they did put out a good product they could have really competed but now I do not trust anything they put out until there is a lot more testing and reviews.

 

[fenderman]

haha. It makes sense that a big company can get away with this and not hurt their business. What they did was wrong and if they did put out a good product they could have really competed but now I do not trust anything they put out until there is a lot more testing and reviews.

dahua and the others put out junk as well.

 

[Holbs]

I've been watching this thread...and other's here for doorbell cams, as I ran wiring to my front door area just for this purpose. What confuses me is how Ring dominates the market for their cam. From what I've seen, it looks nice during the daytime but subpar for night vision, as to be expected. Yet, it's running rampant across the world. Not many complaints of overheating, getting wet & failing, seems to work AOK with smartphones (I guess here is a good argument for use of the cloud).
I am no software dude nor hardware manufacturer. But I can build plantation shutters It's easy for me to say "whats so hard about making a quality $200 range doorbell cam that works?" but I'm sure there is more to it than that.
It's just somewhat mind boggling, business-wise, to see different manufacturers come out with a doorbell cam and it stinks, as if they did not improve upon their competitor failures.

 

[TL1096r]

I've been watching this thread...and other's here for doorbell cams, as I ran wiring to my front door area just for this purpose. What confuses me is how Ring dominates the market for their cam. From what I've seen, it looks nice during the daytime but subpar for night vision, as to be expected. Yet, it's running rampant across the world. Not many complaints of overheating, getting wet & failing, seems to work AOK with smartphones (I guess here is a good argument for use of the cloud).
I am no software dude nor hardware manufacturer. But I can build plantation shutters It's easy for me to say "whats so hard about making a quality $200 range doorbell cam that works?" but I'm sure there is more to it than that.
It's just somewhat mind boggling, business-wise, to see different manufacturers come out with a doorbell cam and it stinks, as if they did not improve upon their competitor failures.

For now LaView has gotten the job done but waiting for something better and proven.

 

[SecuritySeeker]

That said, yoosee does not have a good track record.

In what sense? I Googled and searched the forum but couldn't find much, except for a problem with a PTZ camera having the controls mirrored and security issues with the YooSee app and the Gwell cloud infrastructure in general. At least it's not their first attempt at a doorbell, they also have for example the SD-M3 and SD-M4 which already featured Onvif and PoE so hopefully they learned a bit from any mistakes they might have made with those.

What is slightly worrying is that this thing may not have a web interface but may only be configurable through their app. That would suck big time. But since it's one of very few doorbells with poe/onvif/rtsp I might just (have to) accept having to configure it through the app and then delete the app and block the device from the internet again after configuring. Or perhaps it can be fully configured through Onvif? I think I read on their website somewhere that they use port 5000 for Onvif btw.

@vandyman I hope you can let us know if this thing has a web interface to allow configuring it locally or if it can be configured fully through Onvif?