BackStreet-Surveillance on Youtube; Am I being toooo critical of the information he is giving?

[Ri22o]

Maybe I am being a bit critical, especially since this is a business providing security consultation and installation services for homes and businesses, but knowing what I know now there is a lot of incorrect and misinformation in just this one video.

I am not sure where he keeps getting the 60' distance from.
Facial ID at distances of 60' with a 3.6mm?
License plate ID at 60' with a 3.6mm?
Claims 100% coverage, but with obstructions in the way?
Non-overlapping views, but states you can see someone come up to cars in the driveway. (What if they come up on the other side of the car?)
Asking cameras to do way too much.

There is some reasonable information, but the biggest thing I took away from this is I now have a free camera layout tool that I can use to map out my house. It's a little generic, but better than what I have now.

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[wittaj]

No you are not being too overly critical.

None of those claims are valid - they sell rebranded gear.

They haven't invented a camera that defies basic physics.

Sadly we have seen many "professionals" that folks around here call trunk slammers (not saying that is what they are as I haven't dealt with the company) - but the trunk slammers all they want is the quick buck and are in business to install quick systems with overpriced cameras on less than ideal MP/sensor ratios and leave everything on default/auto settings.

That is cool we now have another camera layout tool now that IPVM is a paid service!

 

[mat200]

Maybe I am being a bit critical, especially since this is a business providing security consultation and installation services for homes and businesses, but knowing what I know now there is a lot of incorrect and misinformation in just this one video.

I am not sure where he keeps getting the 60' distance from.
Facial ID at distances of 60' with a 3.6mm?
License plate ID at 60' with a 3.6mm?
Claims 100% coverage, but with obstructions in the way?
Non-overlapping views, but states you can see someone come up to cars in the driveway. (What if they come up on the other side of the car?)
Asking cameras to do way too much.

There is some reasonable information, but the biggest thing I took away from this is I now have a free camera layout tool that I can use to map out my house. It's a little generic, but better than what I have now.

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Back Street imho is dishonest enough in prior videos I have seen, that I can not trust any of their videos ..

"when comparing apples to apples .. " - Backstreet

They incorrectly compare one of the cheapest lorex kits with a higher end backstreet kit .. and imply all lorex models / kits are the quality of the cheap kits .. he's an image of them purposefully breaking the stem of a plastic body cheap coax camera from Lorex ..

 

[Flintstone61]

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500
That oughta cover it.

 

[Ri22o]

He says a lot in this "Golden Rules" video that contradicts what he said in the other video I linked.

Someone also commented that he is worse than Reolink, haha.

 

[wittaj]

What did I say that contradicts? We have 30,000+ customers, ALL capturing faces at 60ft with a 3.6mm lens. You are not doing anyone a service by acting like you know...when you do not. I would love to see your resume so readers can place a value on the advice you post. |I have a strong feeling you really do not know what you are talking about and have little to no real experience. This is where trunk slammers come to feel important. All you do is tear down, you do NOT build anything or really help anyone.

Most of us here are not installers. Many of us are simply homeowners that have wasted too much money on cameras over the years and disappointed with the 2.8 and 3.6mm fixed lens big box systems or lower end cameras the "professionals" installed, and come to find out that we are not going to get an IDENTIFY quality face capture at 60 feet with a 2.8 fixed lens camera regardless of the camera quality.

Please provide us with examples, day and night, of a person in motion at 60 feet away with a 3.6mm lens that shows IDENTIFY capabilities of a face. Standing still under ideal conditions are not the example images we are looking for.

Sure my 3.6mm fixed lens can capture a face at 60 feet, but there is no IDENTIFY quality of it of a complete stranger. A neighbor or someone goes by, yeah I can tell it is them, but not a complete stranger. Not anything of valuable use to the police to track the person down.


Some of my posts here, along with posts of others, have helped people tremendously, so no not all we do is tear down. And not everything has to be done by a "professional" and many things can by DIY.

There is certainly a market for companies like yours, and as I mentioned, I have no first-hand knowledge of your company and maybe you do it better and take cameras off of default settings and supply ideal MP/sensor and focal lengths for what the customer wants to achieve, but I do have experience with other installers, and being sold 2.8 and 3.6mm cameras on less than ideal MP/sensor and leaving cameras on default/auto settings to IDENTIFY faces and plates at 80 feet is not happening.

Here are some examples of posts that many people cite as helping them move beyond what they either got from the big box stores or replaced cameras that were installed by a professional (you would be surprised how many were not happy with the professional install they paid big money for and come here and then purchase better cameras (for less than the cheap cameras they bought from the installer) and feel like the free service they got from this forum was better than what they paid for):

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We look forward to your examples of IDENTIFY quality images of faces at night at 60 feet with 3.6mm focal length cameras under low light conditions with the person moving....

 

[mattp]

@wittaj,
Blah, blah, blah, with your facts, logic, and examples... I choose to believe Youtube...

 

[wittaj]

While we wait for his samples of people at 60 feet with a 3.6mm, here are some excerpts from his videos.

This distance is probably less than 60 feet. Is this IDENTIFY quality of a person standing still? For somebody that knows them, yes. Handed to the police if they vandalized the place, no.





I assume you did a digital zoom:




Look at that blur. Clearly these folks are within 60 feet, but between the blur from probably being on default/auto settings and camera height and IR washout, I cannot get a clean image from the video to help the police IDENTIFY.

Fortunately this was 24/7 live monitoring and they were able to scare away the perps before they stole anything. Good thing because this provides no IDENTIFY characteristics for the police.

 

[mat200]

What did I say that contradicts? We have 30,000+ customers, ALL capturing faces at 60ft with a 3.6mm lens. You are not doing anyone a service by acting like you know...when you do not. I would love to see your resume so readers can place a value on the advice you post. |I have a strong feeling you really do not know what you are talking about and have little to no real experience. This is where trunk slammers come to feel important. All you do is tear down, you do NOT build anything or really help anyone.

Welcome @Backstreet Surveillance ?

Are you really Backstreet Surveillance ? or just a troll ?

 

[mattp]

Welcome @Backstreet Surveillance ?

Are you really Backstreet Surveillance ? or just a troll ?

That's a good point. A new account could mean that. If it is a troll, they did a great job. Reread the post.

Unfortunately, we may never know because @wittaj is obviously correct, and this guy/company has apparently a lot of content and has possibly been giving people bad information through his business. So they are invested in being wrong.
The hope is that if he is legitimate he reads this info, learns from it, and corrects his ways. But that takes a willingness to admit they are wrong, a lot of effort, and a willingness to learn.
Either way, if that is a legitimate account, we'll probably not get another post. People don't like to admit when they're wrong.

Now, if that is a troll, the response will be epic... Because they are that good.
We've already seen the appeal to authority and appeal to emotion. Then calling out probably the most helpful person on this forum for only tearing him down?...That would be trolling at its finest.

 

[Flintstone61]

Will the real BackStreet surveillance please stand up.

 

[wittaj]

Dang the AI posting is getting better all the time

 

[TonyR]

I have a strong feeling you really do not know what you are talking about........

That feeling is more likely indigestion....

 

[jparrie]

Funny isn't it. I recently challenged a tech guy on the radio here in Aus on why he is always pushing garbage consumer grade crap, and his response was "Dahua have been banned by the Goevrnment". That's it, nothing to do with his sponsorship deals. Of course not.

 

[TonyR]

Funny isn't it. I recently challenged a tech guy on the radio here in Aus on why he is always pushing garbage consumer grade crap, and his response was "Dahua have been banned by the Goevrnment".

And if like the ban here by U.S. Government, the non- NDAA compliant cameras are only prohibited to be installed in buildings and on property that is owned, operated, rented or leased by the govt. or a facility whose occupant is receiving funds from the U.S. govt......they are not banned for purchase, installation or use by private individuals or businesses on their own property.

That's it, nothing to do with his sponsorship deals. Of course not.

Of course!
Some people purposely omit the truth vs. outright lie because if you are not informed you are easily scammed or misled.
Hence, the 3rd line in my signature:

"Deliberate omission of the truth is tantamount to premeditated, outright lying." -TonyR 2022

 

[mat200]

Hi @Backstreet Surveillance

I did not see a reply on the post .. please double check

 

[TonyR]

Hi @Backstreet Surveillance

I did not see a reply on the post .. please double check

I think his reply was the post of the YT video of "BSU."

Ten minutes for a field survey? And the 2 images below of a 90° view simulated with outstretched arms.......to 90° ?

 

[samplenhold]

ttached is a pic from a actual install/car wreck at 50 feet from the camera using digital zoom.

The only person that could use that photo to ID that guy is his mother. It certainly would not suffice for an ID in court. Just what cam was used here? How much light was there in this driveway?

Just because you have allegedly installed 1000's of cameras does not make you an expert. There are many folks that do things for years incorrectly and claim to be an expert.

Also, posting the same reply twice and adding the same picture a second time does not make your opinion any more valid.

 

[mattp]

WOW there is so much dis-information coming from you guys. Please stop acting like you have installed thousands of cameras. WE HAVE INSTALLED 1000's OF CAMERAS, IN FACT WE SELL OVER 30,000 CAMERAS A YEAR. I've been in the security industry 34 years and sold over $160 million worth of CCTV products and systems. If I were just staring out...I would follow my advice rather than the uninformed advice provided here. You keep making false statements about the information we freely provide for the DIY market. Anyone reading this, be assured: YES you can get faces and plates up to 60 feet from the camera, we do it all the time. With 4K and digital zoom you can get the performance I am stating, Attached is a pic from a actual install/car wreck at 50 feet from the camera using digital zoom. The 4K cameras provide enough pixels you can digitally zoom into the video and ID people at 60 feet. If you can clearly ID the person in the image at 50 feet, an additional 10 feet will not effect the out come. Either the people posting here are uniformed or are using or selling cheap substandard equipment. I suggest buying better equipment and stop spreading disinformation...YOU'RE NOT HELPING ANYONE!

It gets old seeing weekend techs act like they have extensive real world experience. So readers can put a value to your posts, please provide your resume of experience so we all can put a value to your comments. I know this posting is a bit salty and will piss off the arm chair techs, but seriously stop acting like you know, and stop tearing down the hard work of others who actually know from real world experience. We have over 27,000 YouTube subscribers and not one is saying the lazy half baked comments I see here. Here is My Resume: Backstreet Surveillance Security Company - Business Surveillance Camera Company - Security Company in - CCTV Dealer - Security Installer. Lets see yours!

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This is a classic appeal to authority argument.

Notice the lack of refutation of anything @wittaj posted.

Facts and laws of physics are nothing compared to number of installs.

 

[mat200]

WOW there is so much dis-information coming from you guys. Please stop acting like you have installed thousands of cameras. WE HAVE INSTALLED 1000's OF CAMERAS, IN FACT WE SELL OVER 30,000 CAMERAS A YEAR. I've been in the security industry 34 years and sold over $160 million worth of CCTV products and systems. If I were just staring out...I would follow my advice rather than the uninformed advice provided here. You keep making false statements about the information we freely provide for the DIY market. Anyone reading this, be assured: YES you can get faces and plates up to 60 feet from the camera, we do it all the time. With 4K and digital zoom you can get the performance I am stating, Attached is a pic from a actual install/car wreck at 50 feet from the camera using digital zoom. The 4K cameras provide enough pixels you can digitally zoom into the video and ID people at 60 feet. If you can clearly ID the person in the image at 50 feet, an additional 10 feet will not effect the out come. Either the people posting here are uniformed or are using or selling cheap substandard equipment. I suggest buying better equipment and stop spreading disinformation...YOU'RE NOT HELPING ANYONE!

It gets old seeing weekend techs act like they have extensive real world experience. So readers can put a value to your posts, please provide your resume of experience so we all can put a value to your comments. I know this posting is a bit salty and will piss off the arm chair techs, but seriously stop acting like you know, and stop tearing down the hard work of others who actually know from real world experience. We have over 27,000 YouTube subscribers and not one is saying the lazy half baked comments I see here. Here is My Resume: Backstreet Surveillance Security Company - Business Surveillance Camera Company - Security Company in - CCTV Dealer - Security Installer. Lets see yours!

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Hi @Backstreet,

Which camera can provide this :

"Anyone reading this, be assured: YES you can get faces and plates up to 60 feet from the camera, we do it all the time. With 4K and digital zoom you can get the performance I am stating" - Backstreet